Its a motorcycle get off it and buy a car pansy. In fact, Four-Ball Wear Tests show Harley- Davidson® 20W-50 Motorcycle Oil leaves a wear scar nearly 80 perc… It is all over the news that Trump’s Transition Team is going to make serious changes at the EPA. There really isn’t any difference in the amount of “slick” in petroleum or synthetic based oils. Changing the exhaust system on Harley Davidsons is one of the first things that people do and in most cases that makes the motorcycle run cooler and better. A complaint was filed by attorneys Zimmerman Reed LLP and Boucher LLP on behalf of Michael Berke and Wolfgang Costelloon and all others similarly situated on December 2, 2016. Please remember that the decibels from the exhaust are supposed to be checked at highway speeds. Strange though, the TC is effectively outdated, yet now this issue “heats up”. temperatures and on multiple stock bikes. My 2007 FLSTC got hot to, from the dealer to my garage. I’ll trade. Total crap by modern standards. Not all applicants will qualify. This will greatly reduce the heat issue. cost of ownership), it probably doesn't cost much, if any, more to get the 103. They oughta get an old Volkswagen. It’s 10 ° here, and wind blowing over the frozen snow. It’s that good. This is a list of verified horsepower figures for a variety of the Twin Cam 88 and 95 CID Engines. One set of cams, an oil cooler, and a GOOD tune later, problem solved!!! This is engineering—giving people … 🙁, It’s an internal combustion engine!!!! Bueller's option is the best for power, but probably not for resale. This episode is a really good … Two Harley owners from Los Angeles County allege that the Twin Cam 103” engine equipping their motorcycles emit high heat, which can burn riders, and shorten the life of the engine. Wood TW-555 Camshafts; Heavy Breather Intake; Vance & Hines 2-1 ProPipe w/ Modified Baffle This upgrade definitely woke this bike up with a gain of 24 Horsepower and 20 ft/lbs of torque! Who knew! Honestly, I have never had a comfort problem with any of these bikes that are supposed to be so hot. Hopefully the incoming EPA head will finally state that CARB only applies to ONE State, and mfrs. Oops that would be illegal . We can blame Russia for that too. Partly emissions controls and partly poor design of the oil system and airflow. That’s why you have to change the air/fuel mixture. Would this not be a shame? When you consider resale value (i.e. Something smells fishy here – perhaps it is time for the Republic of California to go its own way – lets see how long that will last…. Like any other brand, Harley has had its fair share of issues. Now i have a reason to buy a Harley again. cooling the heads has not solved the problem, the 2017 now have a fan assist oil cooler (thanks JAGG) to cool the oil. Buy Maxima Racing Oils 20w50 V-Twin … The new DC Universe rated R animated series 'Harley Quinn' is fun and crazy, but has some serious missteps. Financing Offer available only on new Harley‑Davidson ® motorcycles financed through Eaglemark Savings Bank (ESB) and is subject to credit approval. For the 2014 Twin-Cooled High Output Twin Cam 103 engine, torque is increased by 10.7 percent versus a standard 103. The “Milwaukee Eight” 107″ runs cooler… larger oil cooler, idols at 800 RPM instead of 1200 RPM… repositioned exhaust and motor to help the rear jug get more air flow. You have got to delete the exhaust with a new, non-catalytic version, and change the module. Since that time the Motor Company has sold a total eight V-Twin engine designs – Atmospheric V-Twin, F-Head, Flathead, Knucklehead, Panhead, Shovelhead, Evolution, and Twin Cam – most of these names are instantly recognizable to almost any motorcyclist. They must have had designs altered. Harley Benton is a very viable guitar brand for beginners and more advanced players. 1981 was a notoriously bad year for Harley, produced while the company was still run by AMF. One of them will probably become the next president. I’m pretty sure the argument here is that it gets hotter than an air cooled engine should. The 103 doesn’t get excessively hot in my opinion. I just thought if he wanted an American bike that already has a bigger motor, better handling, more comfort in stock form, at a better price, looking at the 106 might be an option. Its like suing a prostitute, because she is too hot and she did not issue an advance warning, that her heat will make you spill some bodily fluids. Yeah, they run hot. I’m back to riding an EVO which may get an S&S big bore 96″ kit. 96 feels quite poochy compared to the 103. I wonder what these 2 do for a living? I’m surprised no one has mentioned the 110″… they definitely suffer similar issues. 103″280 degrees. Measurements were take at the machined In Industry Standard Four-Ball Wear Testing, Harley Davidson’s Own "Genuine" Motor Oil Produces the Highest Wear Scar vs. Other Leading Motorcycle Oils! Been a listener since the beginning but have to be a bit critical on this one. However, laboratory testing has consistently revealed that Genuine H-D Oil does not provide the best protection possible for Harley-Davidson® engines. Fuel System Failures. They’re trying to make a buck. Get Real…most here have owned them & part of an air cooled motor is it gets hot…..even the new precious Indians with their Thunderstroke 111….they get hot. They live in around LA, and they don’t like heat? An air cooled motor sitting in LA traffic with thousands of cars around. 103″ are in more population and more likely therefore to have more complaint I guess. Read on for all the details on the Tracker Series. Silly lawsuits like this should get thrown out and the they should have to pay the state for wasting their resources. Big thanks on that link. Who knows how this’ll end. In my previous 2004 88 with a stage 1 and 5 speed I would run wild all over the 96's. I’ll buy a used one any day. remap for A/F ratio is the best way to extend engine life and rider comfort. It's a Harley, you can scoot pretty good on an 80, 88, 96, 103, 110. 3) Any engine will keep running as long as you care to maintain and repair it. I took the stock tank off and put a old School sporty tnak in the Frisco position. The longer the exhaust stays in the pipe and muffler the hotter they get. I have been in a fortunate position to be able to test a lot of guitars over the years and I have also tested a number of Harley Benton Guitars. go buy a 1980 Malibu with ice cold AC. I’ll trade this for a little heat. By the 2000 model year, all the “Big Twin” line was converted to the Twin Cam (except CVO FXR’s). The Twin Cam its up to the judge to dismiss the case and order them to pay all court and attorney cost plus stand in the corner for 4 hours, For many years HD has not been forthcoming with many many issues (more than I would like to count with owning 35 through the years) …. Out of all the design issues of the 103 this seems like the most frivolous. This is a spectacular motorcycle and the entire bike, including the 103ci engine, is very refined. However, central to enjoying your bike is a good battery. al kidding aside , these asshats need to hear one thing from the judge, ”Take this shit out of here!”, i knew that when i got a bigger engine that i would have more horse power but i never dreamed i’d get burnt cuz i was hung like a horse. The air cooled Twin Cam 103 Harley Davidson® engine delivers more stump pulling torque, while its Electronic Sequential Port Fuel Injection jetting gives crisp, lively throttle reaction. Craptacular. Next they will probably sue someone that sold them hot coffee. Will all of you please think of the restrictions that have put on everyone who make an internal combustion engine by THE E.P.A. There are various gear systems you can use to directly combat the issue itself. Did the same on a buddies 103, same thing, no problem! They are just looking for a big out of court settlement. These restrictions among other things Restricts The Exhaust Flow. Buy a Gold Wing… you can continue to wear your shorts. That’s too darn hot. A ThunderMax will help cool it off a bit… I haven’t had any experience with T/max Cali.compliant version though but they still state – Cooler, Smoother Running Engine!! © 2018 Cyril Huze • Powered by Wake Interactive Web Design Agency, Cyril Huze Blog – World's Number One Source For Custom Motorcycle News, 1949 Indian-Vincent Factory Prototype Offered For 1st Time At The Bonhams January’s Las Vegas Auction, Campagna Motors Looking For Retail Investors To Expands Across The United States, Harley-Davidson Owners Allege That The 103″ Twin Cam Engine Is Defectively Designed. there ends fact. H-D 103 has been running hot since inception. I ride in Florida gulf coast it ain’t cold. Very low horsepower by modern standards, very noisy and shaky by modern standards. All measurements were in 70-80 degree ambient Quit profiling,put it in gear,and RIDE IT! They should get an app (iOS or android) to get rid of the excessive heat. A lawsuit? rear cylinder shut down and my leg did get burnt. Not knocking Vic, but that's like saying he should buy a VTX 1800 - they're barely the same. The fact that a motorcycle has an exposed engine and therefore exhaust system that goes back to the first ones built I doubt that a design flaw will hold much weight. I installed a Jag fan assist oil cooler and have not had a problem with that since, also the Thundermax helped a lot too. Start any engine regardless of displacement or compression ratio,with a stock starter. It’s going to cost around $2,000. Closer comparison would be one of the pushrod Star bikes- they are a lot closer in feel. We do have a solution for your Harley Davidson twin cam engine problems. For the past 25 years, Harley-Davidson® has claimed its petroleum-based Genuine H-D Oil is best for the unique requirements of Harley-Davidson® air-cooled V-twin engines. Why would you sit in traffic? Rear pipe in the stock setup is very close to the riders leg and I noticed heat when stuck in traffic for sure. The latest test results comparing the new Harley Davidson Screamin’ Eagle Syn3 to AMSOIL 20W-50 Motorcycle Oil are in. Harley-Davidson. ‘course they wouldn’t pass today’s kangaroo court EPA rules, either. It gets hot. However you know the biggest change? Wear big boy pants not khaki shorts and your problem will go away. For decades, the iconic American bike maker has inspired the hearts of many motorcycle enthusiasts. Harley Davidson Twin Cam Engine Problems Solution. Harley-Davidsons are more than just motorcycles; riding them is a way of life. Of course it gets hot! Who knew? These guys need to man up and sell their Harleys and hopefully quit riding. Hype has always come in the form of unrealistic claims. As far as saying it’s an air cooled motor, that’s what they do. It works. one of the first things done to bikes is “fatten them up so they run right. I was stunned at the difference. No heat there! This is not how it is now being done. The problem isn’t design. You can’t do it on a stock bike. 3.99% APR offer is available on new Harley‑Davidson ® motorcycles to high credit tier customers at ESB and only for up to a 60 month term. During 2003 and 2004 Harley offered a couple versions of the CVOs with a longer stroked engine to make 103 cubic inches. These two clowns are the epitome of whats wrong with today’s society. A Power Commander will fix it . When you buy one of these bikes, you ain;t done spending. The problem is riders who refuse to embrace new technology but what more power & torque out of these motors. I live in northern Michigan and the reason I bought a new Road King last year it that it came with a heater as standard equipment!! Had A TC103B in a softail for 10 years no iseues. The fact the EPA gets a pass in all of this is a mystery. Oil system is partially to blame. The new model with the Milwaukee Eight edges it out, but you certainly wouldn’t complain about taking this one home. Sitting and revving an engine with no load on it produces louder decibels. Harley-Davidson "Genuine" Motor Oil Wear Comparison. If you’re a Harley-hater, you’ll find yourself nodding in agreement as we highlight the issues with these bikes. Explore. Jeeeez your better off to sue Trump and Hillary for lying ………..where is Johnny Cocharoach when you need him!! I changed to a pipe that is similar to the HD’s and not near as hot. A complaint was filed by attorneys Zimmerman Reed LLP and Boucher LLP on behalf of Michael Berke and Wolfgang Costelloon and all others … will have the balls to stop shipping to CA. It’s makes the bottom feeding attorneys think twice before taking cases on a contingency. These guys are the same ones that complain of the “helmet buffeting”… it’s a motorcycle folks. If these guys had 110″ I reckon they would still be pursuing the legal path but would read 110″… haha. Yes, the EPA that has made diesel engines in Chevy’s Ford’s and Dodge’s cost a fortune and last 1/3 as long as the pre-2008 versions. If your not careful you get burned. How about a 50% horsepower increase from pipes, air cleaner and a tuner when the real bump on a 96-inch stock Harley is more like 15-20%? I beleive (and I welcome this to tell me where I am wrong) a motor properly tuned for performance and efficiency will work better, last longer, and in the end pollute less too much said. I would say next year they will have the 110 on the regular bikes and a 115 on the Screamin' Eagle. ). Just for everyone’s general information the average lawn mower emits more pollutants than a motorcycle. Is it hot at a stop light yep but not enough to burn or do motor damage. I made a hobby of laser measuring HD engine temperature Fuel, spark, design and quality control are additional co-contributors. Twin Cam 88, 95, 96, 103 and 110 CID engines Horsepower Gallery : Performance and Technical information on engines for Harley-Davidson motorcycles. The stock tanks are for fit over the engine and it holds in and down a massive amount of heat. It is possible, however, to mount a regular Twin Cam motor to a pre-2000 Softail (or any chassis that accepts an Evolution engine) through third-party adapters. Just the way it is. Heat cut to not much at all. The Twin Cam 96B engine was released at the same time as the Twin Cam 96A model, for the 2007 model year, and was equipped on all Softail models until it was replaced by the 103 ci version. The good thing is that you can do some measures to solve the problems and avoid catastrophic engine problems in the future. This is a 2014 Harley Davidson FLHTK, Twin Cooled 103 with a Camshaft Upgrade. It's a neat-looking track… Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by CdnGS, Jan 2, 2011. But, at the same time, twinkies running hot has been common knowledge for a very long time now and the more fairings on the bike the worse it is. They must inspect bikes in CA to make sure stock pipes are in place. My Evo rarely gets hot enough to feel it through my jeans. The bike does run real hot, could the factory have fixed it yes. LOL ) and f**! It’s a performance punch that you’ll appreciate when passing, climbing hills, or rolling with luggage packed or a passenger in back—all under that signature Motor Company rumble. Wiseco Tracker Series pistons were created to provide a featured, high-performance forged piston option at a more affordable price for Harley-Davidson riders available in various overbore and compression ratio options. these 2 idiots for suing the motor company. If you have owned as many HDs as I have then you should/would know. 80″180 degrees, 88″220 degrees, 96″250 degrees, Buy the electric bike if you wanna be coooooool, 103 gets real hot yes. Yes, you may have guessed that I do not own a Harley. Harley-Davidson Twin Cam Heads Flow Bench Study Harley-Davidson began manufacturing the 88 cubic inch Twin Cam engine for the 1999 model year of some of their “Big Twin” motorcycles. As far as noise level that can be kept in tolerance. SHOVELHEAD HARLEY ENGINE 93" and 103" 1966-1996 & 1970-1999; PANHEAD HARLEY ENGINE 74"/93"/103" 1948-1999; KNUCKLEHEAD HARLEY ENGINE 74"/93" 1936-1999; ... EASY START CAMS FOR YOUR HARLEY. Harley and their many “loyal” riders who promised to stop buying their bikes if they were all turned into V-Rods can all sit in a circle and blame the person to their left for this. Twin Cam 103 motors are excessively hot enough that I am looking at alternatives for my next bike, which will be this spring, or build me another one with plenty of room for air-flow between the gas tank and rocker boxes plus the rear cylinder. I call BS. And no attorney either! It’s powered by a 103 Twin Cam V-twin and you can feel its macho vibe rumbling up through the bars and the solo seat. Get the 103. Here is my comment and I can go deeper if needed. Billionaires. At least once a month, check the lights of your Harley to ensure that your bulbs are in good working order. Two Harley owners from Los Angeles County allege that the Twin Cam 103” engine equipping their motorcycles emit high heat, which can burn riders, and shorten the life of the engine. You have to get a Thundermax fuel injection module. What we need in this country is massive tort reform and a “loser pays” system, like in the UK. 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